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05-22-2007, 07:40 PM
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Stop Child Support Now!
We need your support in doing what is right. Sign Petition, Child Support laws are NOT Biblical!!!
STOP CHILD SUPPORT FROM MAKING YOU A VICTIM!!!
ARE YOU A VICTIM OF...
RIDICULOUSLY HIGH CHILD SUPPORT PAYMENTS?
"THE EX" CONTROLLING VISITATION RIGHTS?
WAGES BEING GARNISHED?
BUSINESS LICENSE SUSPENDED?
DENIED CHILD SUPPORT MODIFICATION?
DISCRIMINATION IN COURT BECAUSE OF GENDER?
DRIVER'S LICENSE SUSPENDED?
FACING CRIMINAL PROSECUTION?
BEING TREATED LIKE A THIRD CLASS CITIZEN?
BEING LABELED AS A "DEAD BEAT DAD"?
TAX REFUNDS INTERCEPTED? THE LIST GOES ON AND ON!
IT'S TIME FOR FATHERS TO UNITE!!!
WE'VE BEEN PUSHED AROUND LONG ENOUGH BY A LAW THAT ONLY PROTECTS THE RIGHTS OF ONE PERSON... "THE EX"
Child Support laws are NOT Biblical!!!
JOIN FATHERS ACROSS THE GLOBE IN A CLASS ACTION PETITION AGAINST CHILD SUPPORT.
WWW.STOPCHILDSUPPORTNOW.COM
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05-24-2007, 05:45 AM
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Again I am asking if you are suggesting that father's should not support their children?
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05-25-2007, 03:13 AM
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Child Support laws are NOT Biblical!!!
I didn't say don't support your children, but there are other ways to do that then to pay child support to the EX and still don't get to see the kids.
WE'VE BEEN PUSHED AROUND LONG ENOUGH BY A LAW THAT ONLY PROTECTS THE RIGHTS OF ONE PERSON... "THE EX"
JOIN FATHERS ACROSS THE GLOBE IN A CLASS ACTION PETITION AGAINST CHILD SUPPORT.
WWW.STOPCHILDSUPPORTNOW.COM
God bless
Joseph
SCSN Staff
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05-26-2007, 05:55 AM
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Well as you are aware, child support and visitation are separate issues. I do think father's should be able to see the children. What about when the father is really far behind in child support, but still sees the child? What about if the situation is reversed and the father has custody? Do you feel the same about a mother not having to pay an ex if she doesn't see the child or children?
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05-26-2007, 06:18 AM
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This is Rob Olson and I wanted to add my 2 cents worth to this topic.
While I think parents have a natural responsibility to care for their children, the current child support system is seriously out of control.
A common-sense approach to child support and child support enforcement would be to limit it to children who are the result of marriages (common law or otherwise.) In case your unfamiliar with the term, "common law marriage" is defined as a couple who have lived together for a certain amount of time. The amount of time varies from state to state but a good rule of thumb is that if the IRS is sending tax return information for you and your significant other to the same address then you are married in the eyes of the law.
Any thoughts or comments?
Rob Olson
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05-26-2007, 06:24 AM
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What about the guy that gets his girlfriend pregnant and then leaves her? Does he just get a free ride? What about the child?
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05-26-2007, 07:06 AM
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Dear Moderator:
Thank you for your reply.
First, I would assume by your question that you are 100% against abortion in all cases with the logical exception of when the pregnancy threatens the mother's life. Do you feel this way?
Second, since "welfare of the child" seems to be the main concern of all involved, I would like to suggest that the promise of blanket child support may force children to remain in situations worse than those had the mother given the child up for adoption. A single-parent family receiving child support is usually nowhere near as beneficial for a child as an adoptive two-parent home. Receiving child support does not guarantee love or emtional support.
Third, courts and related agencies are making decisions based on factors other than the child's welfare; DNA testing is proving that many men have been unfairly paying support for children than are not theirs but the fact that courts are refusing to alter their orders is one example.
Fourth, the 14th Ammendment states government shall not interfere with family matters.
inally, I don't believe child support should be eradicated but the current system should be overhauled.
Thank you again for your thoughts; debate on these matters will help all involved.
Rob Olson
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05-28-2007, 07:37 PM
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No, I am not against abortion in all cases. I don't believe it should be used as birth control, but it is a woman's choice. If a woman wants to keep the child, then why shouldn't she? And if she does, then shouldn't the father help out? There are birth control options for men. Usually they give them away free too.
As for adoption, I don't believe a mother should be forced to give up her child just because the father doesn't want to support the child. Yes, there are some bad single parents, but there are also a lot of bad parents in two parent homes.
I am not sure that I disagree with you regarding the DNA testing. My thought with that is, when in doubt, get tested, especially before you start paying.
Now about the 14th amendment, it doesn't actually state that and it has not been interpreted that way.
I do believe that there are things that need to be changed, but giving men a free ride if they are not married to the mother of the child doesn't seem like the right answer either.
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05-29-2007, 04:52 AM
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Dear Moderator:
Thank you for your thoughts in the previous post. I believe that discussion on this and related topics is long over-due.
In regards to the 14th Amendment, you're partially correct. My interpretation is valid only if FOC's are not allowing due process to fathers. That is certainly my case but it does not necessarily apply to everyone.
As for your views on abortion, the law is clear; if a woman wants to terminate a pregnancy for any reason (birth-control included) she can do so without legal interference regardless of the father's wishes. On the other hand, if she wants to keep the baby, the issue suddenly switches from "my body, my choice" to "welfare of the child" and local, state and even federal government gets involved.
Let me put it this way; if the woman wants to abort the child and the man says, "No, I can keep and raise the baby and I have the resources to do so and you won't have to be involved," then the law still sides with the woman and the baby will be aborted if that is her choice.
Can you not see the hyprocracy in this policy!
If we are going to allow women to terminate parental rights (through abortion) than men should be offered the same rights on some level and my marriage proposal (government-enforced child support only in the event of marriage) does just that.
Thank you for taking the time to read my post.
Sincerely,
Rob Olson
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05-30-2007, 06:57 AM
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It definitely is an interesting discussion. I do wish others would join us.
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